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	<title>Comments on: Gender Mending: Men, Masculinity, and Feminism</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Crosby</title>
		<link>http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2006/02/28/gender-mending-men-masculinity-and-feminism/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Jenn Ruddy for triggering a lot of thinking on my part. I'm a board member of the Woman Abuse Council of Toronto (the only male member at present) and work as a manager for the Family Service Association of Toronto responsible for programs to support abused women and mandatory programs for abusive men (and for abusive gay men and lesbians). The Council is a coordinating/accountability body for services and supports for assaulted women in Toronto and also has a leadership role in prevention initiatives. In the 90s there were many more men active in leadership roles as the issue of woman abuse by men came out of the closet and gained support. Now the men seem largely to have disappeared. As I read the article I found myself, not for the first time, wondering if the weak presence of men in the assaulted women's movement has to do with the necessity of acknowledging publicly that patriarchy/straight male privilege is at the heart of woman abuse.  I regard myself as deeply committed to anti-oppression and as a pro-feminist man but I am acutely aware that living that commitment in daily life with other men is hard scary work and the temptation to retreat into the privileged world of the white straight middle class male world is always there. 

As Murray Knuttila points out in the article male privilege is ultimately damaging to men. It severely restricts the range and depth of feelings and attitudes one is allowed to express or even experience. So while I retreat sometimes, I come back to the struggle partly because I can't take for long the company of men, living unexamined lives with all our privileges. As a passionate amateur basketball player for about 50 years I have had more that enough of racist, homophobic and sexist jokes and attitudes.

I also agree with Kevin Ballie that the role of straight, white male privilege is important in contexts other than male/female relationships. This is certainly an important question in the struggle for equity and inclusion for lgbt members of society. It is also true in the struggle for equity and inclusion for people of colour, people with physical and/or intellectual disabilities and for poor people. 

For me the broad question is not whether or not there is a place for men in ending sexism, or white men in ending racism, or straight men in ending homophobia and heterosexism or able bodied men in ending the labeling and exclusion of people with disabilities. The question is how we as persons with privilege can be effective allies in liberation struggles for oppressed people. How can we exercise our leadership role with other people of privilege while being accountable to those who are oppressed? 

As one who sees immigrant men of colour strongly over represented in our abusive men's programs (themselves both oppressed and oppressing)and as a key decision maker in distributing always scarce resources between straight and lgbt programs I can vouch for the complexity of exercising that leadership.
Peter Crosby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Jenn Ruddy for triggering a lot of thinking on my part. I&#8217;m a board member of the Woman Abuse Council of Toronto (the only male member at present) and work as a manager for the Family Service Association of Toronto responsible for programs to support abused women and mandatory programs for abusive men (and for abusive gay men and lesbians). The Council is a coordinating/accountability body for services and supports for assaulted women in Toronto and also has a leadership role in prevention initiatives. In the 90s there were many more men active in leadership roles as the issue of woman abuse by men came out of the closet and gained support. Now the men seem largely to have disappeared. As I read the article I found myself, not for the first time, wondering if the weak presence of men in the assaulted women&#8217;s movement has to do with the necessity of acknowledging publicly that patriarchy/straight male privilege is at the heart of woman abuse.  I regard myself as deeply committed to anti-oppression and as a pro-feminist man but I am acutely aware that living that commitment in daily life with other men is hard scary work and the temptation to retreat into the privileged world of the white straight middle class male world is always there. </p>
<p>As Murray Knuttila points out in the article male privilege is ultimately damaging to men. It severely restricts the range and depth of feelings and attitudes one is allowed to express or even experience. So while I retreat sometimes, I come back to the struggle partly because I can&#8217;t take for long the company of men, living unexamined lives with all our privileges. As a passionate amateur basketball player for about 50 years I have had more that enough of racist, homophobic and sexist jokes and attitudes.</p>
<p>I also agree with Kevin Ballie that the role of straight, white male privilege is important in contexts other than male/female relationships. This is certainly an important question in the struggle for equity and inclusion for lgbt members of society. It is also true in the struggle for equity and inclusion for people of colour, people with physical and/or intellectual disabilities and for poor people. </p>
<p>For me the broad question is not whether or not there is a place for men in ending sexism, or white men in ending racism, or straight men in ending homophobia and heterosexism or able bodied men in ending the labeling and exclusion of people with disabilities. The question is how we as persons with privilege can be effective allies in liberation struggles for oppressed people. How can we exercise our leadership role with other people of privilege while being accountable to those who are oppressed? </p>
<p>As one who sees immigrant men of colour strongly over represented in our abusive men&#8217;s programs (themselves both oppressed and oppressing)and as a key decision maker in distributing always scarce resources between straight and lgbt programs I can vouch for the complexity of exercising that leadership.<br />
Peter Crosby</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Timusk</title>
		<link>http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2006/02/28/gender-mending-men-masculinity-and-feminism/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Timusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this interesting having spent time in many of the situations/roles of my maleness described. I identify at the moment as profeminist and have been studying gender and computing. I agree being boxed in is unhealthy. My partner/womyn and I are live in patriarchy but we resist and we were generally raised in it. I have been involved in mens groups and moved forward. I have learned to speak out against sexism. Many people may believe the mainstream views but as many know very little about what feminism means. To some it is only about womyn working or advancing econmically. I am happy to continue to support local feminists. Very educational article I am glad you discussed this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this interesting having spent time in many of the situations/roles of my maleness described. I identify at the moment as profeminist and have been studying gender and computing. I agree being boxed in is unhealthy. My partner/womyn and I are live in patriarchy but we resist and we were generally raised in it. I have been involved in mens groups and moved forward. I have learned to speak out against sexism. Many people may believe the mainstream views but as many know very little about what feminism means. To some it is only about womyn working or advancing econmically. I am happy to continue to support local feminists. Very educational article I am glad you discussed this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Ballie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Ballie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article. I learned a lot about it, but I think that to help people answer the "Should men be in the feminist movement?" question, we should look at another movement, the LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual &#38; Transgender) Movement.

We never really debated the question "Should straights by in the LGBT Movement?" with quite the intensity that can be seen in the feminist movement. This is mainly out of simple demographics: At BEST, the LGBT population in America is 10%. Even with our outreaching and enrollment of straight pro-LGBT activists, our detractors and oftentimes the mainstream media equate the gay rights movement as run by gays, for gays. 

Our greatest challange is getting it across that the LGBT movement is overwhelmingly consisting of straight supporters, and that LGBT equality does not help only LGBT people, but all people (just as LGBT discrimination hurts all). The feminist movement could learn a bit from the LGBT movement, in that reaching out to every possible supporter as well as focusing on the women component of the movement can be done at the same time. They both need to be done at the same time after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article. I learned a lot about it, but I think that to help people answer the &#8220;Should men be in the feminist movement?&#8221; question, we should look at another movement, the LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual &amp; Transgender) Movement.</p>
<p>We never really debated the question &#8220;Should straights by in the LGBT Movement?&#8221; with quite the intensity that can be seen in the feminist movement. This is mainly out of simple demographics: At BEST, the LGBT population in America is 10%. Even with our outreaching and enrollment of straight pro-LGBT activists, our detractors and oftentimes the mainstream media equate the gay rights movement as run by gays, for gays. </p>
<p>Our greatest challange is getting it across that the LGBT movement is overwhelmingly consisting of straight supporters, and that LGBT equality does not help only LGBT people, but all people (just as LGBT discrimination hurts all). The feminist movement could learn a bit from the LGBT movement, in that reaching out to every possible supporter as well as focusing on the women component of the movement can be done at the same time. They both need to be done at the same time after all.</p>
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