Comments on: “Detestable murderers and scumbags”: Making sense of Canada’s deployment in Afghanistan http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/ Fiercely independent (and often irreverent) news & views. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Joy Ann http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-787 Joy Ann Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:35:44 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-787 Today I was listening to the Alex Jones Show like I always did and what a shocker I had with Alex and a guest by the name of Mark and I cannot remember his last name. This Mark described our Canadian Troops as "scumbags" and believe me that was the last time I will ever listen to Alex Jones show. I even e-mailed him about that. I am against our troops fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else. Canada has always had a very good reputation in the world unlike the US. We were liked by all because we never hurt other people. Now we have a terrible problem because of this New World Order as well as this North American Union that I am totally against along with so many others. It seems to be that the US blames everyone but themselves for what is going on. Our Canadian troops are supposed to be disarming Americans in their land soon along with Europeans. Oh but I didn't hear anything bad said about Europeans only our Canadian people. What a racist bunch of b on that show and I will never go back again. Bill Cooper was sure right about Alex Jones. Never ever again shall I ever listen to him. Sorry for the rant but I thought that I would tell everyone about this. Thanks for hearing me out. Today I was listening to the Alex Jones Show like I always did and what a shocker I had with Alex and a guest by the name of Mark and I cannot remember his last name. This Mark described our Canadian Troops as “scumbags” and believe me that was the last time I will ever listen to Alex Jones show. I even e-mailed him about that.

I am against our troops fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else. Canada has always had a very good reputation in the world unlike the US. We were liked by all because we never hurt other people.

Now we have a terrible problem because of this New World Order as well as this North American Union that I am totally against along with so many others. It seems to be that the US blames everyone but themselves for what is going on. Our Canadian troops are supposed to be disarming Americans in their land soon along with Europeans. Oh but I didn’t hear anything bad said about Europeans only our Canadian people. What a racist bunch of b on that show and I will never go back again. Bill Cooper was sure right about Alex Jones. Never ever again shall I ever listen to him. Sorry for the rant but I thought that I would tell everyone about this. Thanks for hearing me out.

]]> By: International News (I.N. Daily) » Public Contempt for Palestinians and Lebanese http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-19 International News (I.N. Daily) » Public Contempt for Palestinians and Lebanese Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:07:11 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-19 [...] The backdrop for the current success of the UIAFC strategy, or at least for the realization of its intended goals, is therefore existing trends in Canadian policy. De facto government endorsement of a rally in which a popular Lebanese political leader was described as a rodent did not come out of the blue. Rhetorical moves in this direction have long been underway in description of official enemies. A particularly important example is Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Rick Hillier’s comments last summer about the forces engaging Canadian troops in Afghanistan, although he chose “detestable murders and scumbags” rather than an animal analogy to make his point. [...] [...] The backdrop for the current success of the UIAFC strategy, or at least for the realization of its intended goals, is therefore existing trends in Canadian policy. De facto government endorsement of a rally in which a popular Lebanese political leader was described as a rodent did not come out of the blue. Rhetorical moves in this direction have long been underway in description of official enemies. A particularly important example is Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Rick Hillier’s comments last summer about the forces engaging Canadian troops in Afghanistan, although he chose “detestable murders and scumbags” rather than an animal analogy to make his point. [...]

]]> By: Dan http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-27 Dan Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:32:38 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-27 It's funny to read all of this a soldier myself. Ive noticed that in history many countries have had their "Glory days" where they took over countries and expanded. The Roman Empire, The British Empire, The Third Riche. All these countries "got thier chance" and now it's America's chance. We as Canadians who were undoubtabley proven inferior in battle againste the Ameicans are now simpley servants of the mighty tirant. The way I see this is that we are weak but don't know it yet. We can walk with them or be againste them. Who's side would you want to be on? I believe you all are right about our part in the American led war on terroism, we are just pawns in the American agenda. But don't hold it againste the men in uniform, their doing what they have to to survive. Give them your support. Please excuse the bad grammar and remember that this is just a personal opinion of an 18 year old grunt. But thank you for giving me the opprotunity to post my views. It’s funny to read all of this a soldier myself. Ive noticed that in history many countries have had their “Glory days” where they took over countries and expanded. The Roman Empire, The British Empire, The Third Riche. All these countries “got thier chance” and now it’s America’s chance. We as Canadians who were undoubtabley proven inferior in battle againste the Ameicans are now simpley servants of the mighty tirant. The way I see this is that we are weak but don’t know it yet. We can walk with them or be againste them. Who’s side would you want to be on? I believe you all are right about our part in the American led war on terroism, we are just pawns in the American agenda. But don’t hold it againste the men in uniform, their doing what they have to to survive. Give them your support.

Please excuse the bad grammar and remember that this is just a personal opinion of an 18 year old grunt. But thank you for giving me the opprotunity to post my views.

]]> By: dispatch http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-26 dispatch Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:03:33 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-26 re: writer's guidelines Hi Vern: General writers guidelines can be found at http://www.briarpatchmagazine.com/submit.htm If you have any questions, or want to pitch a story, email me -- editor{AT}briarpatchmagazine{dot}com re: writer’s guidelines

Hi Vern:

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If you have any questions, or want to pitch a story, email me — editor{AT}briarpatchmagazine{dot}com

]]> By: vern huffman http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-25 vern huffman Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:43:49 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-25 Greetings - do you people have writer's guidelines that I can access? thanks - vern huffman Greetings - do you people have writer’s guidelines that I can access? thanks - vern huffman

]]> By: briarpatch » Six Nations Does Not Stand Alone http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-24 briarpatch » Six Nations Does Not Stand Alone Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:19 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-24 [...] 4) I wrote about this with Sonali Kolhatkar for Briarpatch December 2005. http://briarpatchmagazine.com/news/?p=50. Too many Canadians have killed, and died, in Afghanistan already, the most recent Canadian deaths on April 23, 2006. [...] [...] 4) I wrote about this with Sonali Kolhatkar for Briarpatch December 2005. http://briarpatchmagazine.com/news/?p=50. Too many Canadians have killed, and died, in Afghanistan already, the most recent Canadian deaths on April 23, 2006. [...]

]]> By: Janet Desroches http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-23 Janet Desroches Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:01:58 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-23 Thank you so much for your article, and also for the comments, which are more up to date. I wondered whether I am the only one in Canada who is wondering what in the world we are doing in Afghanistan, and how peacekeepers suddenly turned into soldiers, doing killing and getting killed. Also, my knowledge is limited. I read a novel, The Kite Runner, and got the impression there are lots of US interests in Kandahar, and sounds like we're there to protect those interests. What can we do??? Thank you so much for your article, and also for the comments, which are more up to date. I wondered whether I am the only one in Canada who is wondering what in the world we are doing in Afghanistan, and how peacekeepers suddenly turned into soldiers, doing killing and getting killed. Also, my knowledge is limited. I read a novel, The Kite Runner, and got the impression there are lots of US interests in Kandahar, and sounds like we’re there to protect those interests.

What can we do???

]]> By: Justin Podur http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-22 Justin Podur Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:39:40 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-22 Not quite, Bryan. I did not mix the phone company with the helicopter company. I assumed Bell Helicopter was Canadian but I was thinking of a specific contract to build helicopters in Quebec. I used a CBC source for it, reproduced below. If you're interested in Canada's role in US military procurement,try 'Quiet Complicity' by Levant for the largest-scale example, the Vietnam war, or just peruse the Canadian business press - contracts like these are announced quite frequently. BELL LANDS HUGE HELICOPTER CONTRACT CBC News- Montreal August 2, 2005 Bell Helicopter says a multi-billion dollar contract between its parent company Textron and the U.S. government for new military helicopters will generate 300 jobs at its Mirabel, Que., plant. Armed reconnaissance helicopters Bell's ARH is a military version of its highly successful 407 single-engine light helicopter. Capable of being equipped with a wide variety of weapons, the Bell ARH will provide the US Army with mission versatility. The aircraft will allow the military the flexibility to accomplish armed reconnaissance, light attack, troop delivery, and special operations missions with a single aircraft. The Bell ARH will also provide greater "deployability, interoperability and survivability." The Pentagon has commissioned 368 new armed reconnaissance helicopters, or ARHs, worth a total of $2.2 billion US. The helicopters are part of a new generation of reconnaissance aircraft used by the US army to support ground troops in military operations, replacing the older Warrior helicopters. Ground work Workers at Bell Helicopter's Mirabel plant will do most of the assembly work over the next six years . a contract that's worth nearly $1 billion Cdn. Workers at the Mirabel plant will assemble the basic helicopters, which will then be outfitted with military equipment at another Bell plant in the United States. The contract will boost Mirabel's fledgling aerospace industry, says Michel Legault, the company's director of business development. "From what we can measure right now, it's probably the largest contract we've received here at Mirabel through the years," Legault said Monday. Bell Helicopter will have to expand its production line and hire up to 300 new workers, Legault estimates. Many of the new jobs will be for general aircraft assemblers. "Those folks would typically have a completed high school degree. And then on their own they would take a year of specialization in aerospace," he says Not quite, Bryan. I did not mix the phone company with the helicopter company. I assumed Bell Helicopter was Canadian but I was thinking of a specific contract to build helicopters in Quebec. I used a CBC source for it, reproduced below. If you’re interested in Canada’s role in US military procurement,try ‘Quiet Complicity’ by Levant for the largest-scale example, the Vietnam war, or just peruse the Canadian business press - contracts like these are announced quite frequently.

BELL LANDS HUGE HELICOPTER CONTRACT
CBC News- Montreal
August 2, 2005

Bell Helicopter says a multi-billion dollar contract between its parent
company Textron and the U.S. government for new military helicopters will
generate 300 jobs at its Mirabel, Que., plant.

Armed reconnaissance helicopters

Bell’s ARH is a military version of its highly successful 407
single-engine light helicopter.

Capable of being equipped with a wide variety of weapons, the Bell ARH
will provide the US Army with mission versatility.

The aircraft will allow the military the flexibility to accomplish armed
reconnaissance, light attack, troop delivery, and special operations
missions with a single aircraft.

The Bell ARH will also provide greater “deployability, interoperability
and survivability.”

The Pentagon has commissioned 368 new armed reconnaissance helicopters, or
ARHs, worth a total of $2.2 billion US. The helicopters are part of a new
generation of reconnaissance aircraft used by the US army to support
ground troops in military operations, replacing the older Warrior
helicopters.

Ground work

Workers at Bell Helicopter’s Mirabel plant will do most of the assembly
work over the next six years . a contract that’s worth nearly $1 billion
Cdn.

Workers at the Mirabel plant will assemble the basic helicopters, which
will then be outfitted with military equipment at another Bell plant in
the United States.

The contract will boost Mirabel’s fledgling aerospace industry, says
Michel Legault, the company’s director of business development.

“From what we can measure right now, it’s probably the largest contract
we’ve received here at Mirabel through the years,” Legault said Monday.

Bell Helicopter will have to expand its production line and hire up to 300
new workers, Legault estimates.

Many of the new jobs will be for general aircraft assemblers.

“Those folks would typically have a completed high school degree. And then
on their own they would take a year of specialization in aerospace,” he
says

]]> By: Bryan http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-21 Bryan Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:53:28 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-21 Bell is not Canadian owned it is a part of Textron, which is based in Rhode ISland. You have somehow managed to confuse Bell helicopters with Bell phones. After a mistake like that your crediblity is in question. Bell is not Canadian owned it is a part of Textron, which is based in Rhode ISland. You have somehow managed to confuse Bell helicopters with Bell phones. After a mistake like that your crediblity is in question.

]]> By: Amberle http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2005/12/03/detestable-murderers-and-scumbags-making-sense-of-canadas-deployment-in-afghanistan/#comment-20 Amberle Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:21:28 +0000 http://briarpatchmagazine.com/test/?p=95#comment-20 that was a very interesting article. i just came back from a demonstration at York University about the Canadian involvement and participation in the military action happening over seas... i dont see how murder on a massively large scale is at all justifiable...it just doesn't makes any sense- we send someone to prison for x number of years (or life) OR (in the US) give them the dealth penalty for killing another person, or personsssss...yet we still can somehow justify going overseas and killing people on a mass scale. military men, civilians, whoever. without a doubt illogical and baffling. that was a very interesting article. i just came back from a demonstration at York University about the Canadian involvement and participation in the military action happening over seas…

i dont see how murder on a massively large scale is at all justifiable…it just doesn’t makes any sense- we send someone to prison for x number of years (or life) OR (in the US) give them the dealth penalty for killing another person, or personsssss…yet we still can somehow justify going overseas and killing people on a mass scale. military men, civilians, whoever.

without a doubt illogical and baffling.

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